Which dingy for S/V Lynx?

Just like our original thoughts on which catamaran to go with, our current choice for a dinghy has evolved over time.  Let's use the way back machine and go back about ten years to when we were thinking about which type of cat we wanted to buy (someday).  

Initially, we were looking at a custom-built, Kurt Hughes designed, catamaran  (see right).  We even had this half-finished one picked out.  (Note, someone else bought and finished her and is now out sailing the world.)  She was 58' long.  

At that time, we thought that a light, narrow hulled, faster cat was just what we wanted!  Then, over time, we slowly came to realize that comfort trumps speed.  With all the people and sports toys we want to have with us, we would over loaded a fast cat, turning it into a slow cat.  Instead, by starting with a cat with wider hulls that is designed for load carrying capacity, we could get almost the same speed out of it as the overloaded (previously) fast cat.  We figure, if we are only going to go at 8 knots anyway, why not have all the space and comforts?  

The more we looked at this, the more our choices changed to the two boats we are currently interested in buying.  (For more on cats, see 'Best Cat for Us' on our www.svlynx.com website).  However, here is a picture of one of the cat models we are currently interested in buying (see below, left).

Now, our choice in a dingy is going through a similar evolution.  Initially, we were interested in a big tender with seats, a steering console, and a big-assed powerful gas outboard.  Now reality has started to set in.  If we buy such a tender, with the motor, she will weigh in at over 600 lbs, possibly over 700.  There are three major issues with that.  

1) That adds a lot of weight to our catamaran, and though our comfy style 'fat cat' can handle a lot of weight, there are still limits, and the lighter she is, the faster she will go (up to a point).  

2) It puts an extreme amount of weight on the stern.  That isn't good.  The stern is designed to handle a certain amount of load.  Too much will shove the sugar scoops down and cause hobby horsing as we sail.

3) A heavy tender cannot be taken up onto a beach.  It has to anchor out or go to a dock.  There will be many times when we wish to beach our dinghy.

So, that means we have to put our future tender on a diet and lose some significant amount of weight.

Here is the conundrum.  A small dinghy, with a tiny outboard, is nice and light for the catamaran and can be beached easily (see pic right).  It is also frugal on the use of gasoline, which means we don't have to store a lot of flammable and (sometimes) hard to get fuel onboard the mothership.  But, that small light dingy with its tiny outboard can't go great distances at a decent speed.  What happens when we want to load up some dive gear and divers, and then motor to a distant dive site, far from where our main catamaran is anchored?  

For that, we need a more powerful dinghy with some reasonable amount of interior space.  However, that adds too much weight to beach the boat.

We have found a compromise we can live with.  First off, we are going to go with an electric propulsion system.  At first glance, this might seem foolhardy, since gas packs a whole lot more energy by weight than batteries.  This is true.  However, I will get to more about this in a moment.

If we go with a large yet light dingy, we have figured out a way to have our cake and eat it too!  The boat can even have a few comforts, like a twin floor to keep stuff (and your feet) from sitting in water.  If the dinghy is around 12' long, it fits between the sugar scoops.  If the weight is kept down to under 200 lbs, we can drag it up onto a beach (adding dinghy wheels to the transom to help us).  That's the boat only weight, so what about the motor and fuel source?

Let's get back to that electric propulsion idea.   If we go with an 18 KW electric motor (equivalent to a 25 hp gas outboard), we get high torque at low prop speeds.  This helps us push the boat when it is loaded with a lot of weight.  It also has the big benefit of eliminating gas, both on the dinghy and storing extra on the mothership.  We don't have to buy gas, cart it to the boat, store that flammable fuel on board, pour it into the dingy fuel can, or smell it as it burns.   We also don't have to deal with the complexity of a gas engine, including carburetors that occasionally get clogged or a pull start that you keep yanking when your gas engine doesn't want to start.  We get instant power, no starting necessary, with less maintenance.

In exchange, we have to accept a smaller motor and our fuel source will not take us as far at high speed.  Battery power will take you a long distance, but at the cost of speed.  If you want to go fast, then you sacrifice range.  Most of the time that's fine.  We won't often be taking the dinghy for extremely long distances.  With a 48volt battery pack, with 300 amps, Our a 25 hp equivalent electric motor, we should go for about one hour at full speed traveling about 18 miles. 

Just to note, if we cut the speed in half, we can go about six to eight hours instead of one.  If you figure we are going from 18 mph, full out, to about 9 mph, at half speed, you can see how you extend your range.  Full out, you go 18 miles.  At half throttle, you go more like 100 miles. Now, we don't think that will hold completely true, those kinds of simple power calculations don't account for ocean conditions, etc., but if we figure we go even half that, 50 miles, that is still a decent range which is sufficient for our needs.

Best yet, we don't have to buy or store gas anywhere.

Let's get back to talking about how we can have a boat that goes far with a decent amount of people and gear, yet can also be easily beached.  Generally, most of the boats we have seen out there do one of three things.  They have a small dinghy with a tiny motor and give up the gear and people going long distances. Or, they have a bit dinghy with a powerful gas motor, yet give up beaching the boat.  Finally, there are compromise boats, where they are just light enough to beach and just powerful enough to go plain.  The problem with these boats is that as soon as you put much weight in them they no longer plain. 

But, we have the fourth option.  We're going to buy two motors for our fairly light dinghy.  When we want to go to a nearby beach and take the dinghy up on the sand, we will remove the 25 hp electric outboard and the large battery pack and replace the larger motor with a small electric ePropusion Spirit 1.0 Plus, 3 hp electric outboard that has an included self-contained battery (see pic right).  This motor only weighs 43.4 pounds, including the battery.  It is also completely waterproof'; it can be safely submerged in shallow water.  Therefore, if the dinghy gets swamped by a wave while exiting or entering the surf, it doesn't matter.  And, the entire weight of the boat is now under 250 lbs, which will work for beaching the dinghy with transom mounted wheels.

When we need a lot more power and don't need to beach the dinghy, we use the 18 KW motor and the large 13 kWh battery pack.

So, there you have it, a convertible, fairly light dinghy that works for two purposes.  We think it's a good compromise.  As for which dinghy, we're thinking about the ZAR Mini 13 or the Highfield CL380.  For more information on why and which dinghy we are choosing, see our website, or click on this link Tender. 

The dinghies we are interested in weigh less than 200 lbs, and each of them has a double floor and is rated for six or seven passengers.  This gives us a good size tender with a decently powerful electric motor (for the weight of the boat) as well as a light enough dinghy to get on the beach when we change to the much smaller motor.

Our search has narrowed to two boats and brands

Initially, we were interested in three boats (which you can still see on the www.svlynx.com website) the Fountaine Pajot Salina 48, Saona 47, or the Leopard 48.  After more research, we have narrowed it down to just the Salina 48 or Leopard 48.

Mostly, this has to do with room for solar panels; we feel we must have 5 kWh or more and we just can't squeeze that much on the Saona 47.  It also has to do with price, and being newer, the Saona 47 is looking like they will still be too far above our budget in two more years, seeing as they are up at $700,000 to $900,000 now.  We just don't see them coming down enough.

Now, for a while, the Salina 48 was our front runner.  However, over time, the Leopard 48 has gained ground.  At this point, I would call them neck and neck. 

Leopard 48 Concerns: 

The issue with the Leopard was the safety of that forward cockpit in bad seas.  However, we have been unable to find a single case reported where a forward cockpit, in any Leopard boat, has been proven to be catastrophic.  In fact, just the opposite.  With one delivery captain reporting 70-knot winds with green water coming over the bow for 15 hours, and no issue with the forward cockpit filling... well, it seems that concerns about it have been unfounded.  As for that flat surface not being aerodynamic, the boat also has reports of decent sailing performance for a comfort style catamaran.  Certainly as good as the Salina 48.  

Just to note: There was one 40' Leopard cat lost on delivery from South Africa to Thailand, but they ran into a cyclone.  That boat was found, upside down, which leads one to believe that this was flipped by heavy winds (like cats in the Caribbean which were turned over by hurricane Irma).  There is no evidence to suggest that the forward cockpit was the issue.

Addendum: We learned recently that Leopard cats cannot be beached on their keels, and require support at the bulkheads, this all but eliminates Leopard cats from our consideration as we plan to beach our boat, often, in certain locations of our voyage.

Salina 48 concerns:

The main concern we have on the Salina 48 is the dinghy system under the stern sundeck.  We just can't get a dinghy high enough.  We also can't put it on top, as that would be too high.  Our only option is to cut off that sundeck, re-finish the cut at the top of the wall and construct and add on a whole new dinghy lift system.  Then, we want a hardtop over the steering station.  To do that, we would need to raise the boom, which means remounting the gooseneck higher up on the mast and recutting the mainsail.  Then, we'd also have to construct and mount that new hardtop.  The Leopard already comes with an excellent dinghy lift system and a hardtop over the steering.

That being said... it looks like the Leopard 48 will likely be more expensive than the Salina 48, so we could afford to do the changes and be at the same price point.

Like I said, neck in neck. 

To make our decision, we are going to have to go sail both boats and also look at the condition as well as build quality.  Only seeing the boats will help us in these areas.

Covid 19 is getting in our way of doing that, with travel bans on US citizens and country lockdowns.  So, it looks like we will have to wait.  The good news is, we have time.  We don't expect to buy the boat we choose until 2023.  Hopefully, this will all be a  bad memory by then.  Here is hoping for a good vaccine!  One more thing that Covid 19 has caused (indirectly), our money is in U.S. dollars, and the dollar is currently pretty weak.  We are also hoping it gets better in a couple of years, as this could be a difference of $30,000 to $50,000 depending on the price of the boat and its location.

Addendum: the Covid years have also had the affect of driving up the prices of used catamarans to ridiculous amounts.  At this point, a Salina 48 is out of our price range if you add on what it costs to refit the boat for blue water sailing.  Hence, we are now planning to build a kit catamaran, and build a performance 50' cruising cat, from Schionning Designs.

We'll keep you posted as time goes on!

The search for S/V Lynx begins

The search has started for our catamaran, and that begins with narrowing down which brand and model of cats we are interested in and can afford.

We have a couple pages on this listed on our http://www.svlynx.com website, the main 'Boat page' and the 'Best Cat for Us' page.

However, to give you some history of our search, for several years now we had decided on a Fountaine Pajot, Salina 48, as our only option.  It is only in the past few months that we have expanded our interest to two other models, and one of them a different brand, Leopard.

The reason we added the Leopard 48 only recently is that we got some specific performance information from a couple of owners which showed us that the Leopard 48 meets a lot of our requirements.  But that's not the only factor, we have also gotten a clearer timeline on our planned purchase.  That gives us an estimated depreciation schedule that puts a Leopard 48 within our budget, making this boat a viable option.

As for the other new option, it is another Fountaine Pajot, a Saona 47.  The same thing applies, due to when we plan to buy a car, and the reasonable starting price for a new Saona 47, by the time we are ready to buy, in 2022 or 2023, there should be some Saona 47s available at a price within our budget.

These two boats, plus the Salina 48, give us three models er ls to weigh, test, and seek out (when the time is right).  For now, we are seeking further information on all three models so that we can further narrow our choice down to an actual purchase.

This will involve a lot of research, conversations, with current or previous or current owners, trips to see examples, test sails, and any other way we can learn more about each boat.

This is a big decision, the boat we eventually purchase will become our thirteen plus year vehicle to adventure.

If you want to weigh in on these boats, or others, the best way is to talk to us directly on our live chat system.  You can learn about how to gain access to that chat system at our Patreon page (see 'Crew' on our website for how to find that).

Addendum: We have changed our plans now due to rising prices on used cats.  We now plan to build S/V Lynx.  See the website for information, or more recent blog posts.

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